Honoring St. Louis Classic Rock: The Imperial Awards with Ron Stevens

Arnold00:00:00

How do you honor musicians, bands, personalities and institutions that make up the rich culture of St. Louis Classic rock by the St. Louis Classic Rock Preservation Society.Their hall of Fame induction ceremony, now known as the Imperial awards, next on St. Louis in Tune.Welcome to St. Louis in tune and thank you for joining.Joining us for fresh perspectives on issues and events with experts, community leaders and everyday people who make a difference in shaping our society and world.I'm Arnold Stricker along with co host, the co hostess with the mostest, Marcus Langstonis.

Mark00:00:46

Hey, Arnold, thanks for.

Arnold00:00:47

That's your Roman, your Latin name.Marcus Langston.

Mark00:00:50

Yeah.Okay.

Arnold00:00:52

Mark Langston.

Mark00:00:53

Call me my, my Spanish friends call me Marco.

Arnold00:00:55

Marco.

Mark00:00:56

Marco.Yeah.Marco.

Arnold00:00:58

Okay.

Mark00:00:58

Okay.

Ron00:00:59

Marco.And Arnaldo.

Arnold00:01:00

Yes,.

Mark00:01:02

I like that.

Arnold00:01:03

Okay, folks, we're glad you joined us today.We want to thank our sponsor, Better Rate Mortgage for their support of the show.You can listen to previous shows@stlntune.com where you can follow us and leave a review.We've got a great thought for the day because our show is about St. Louis classic rock music.And I saw something this morning, Mark, that was like about the 10 worst bubblegum bands.And I was like, okay, the number one, number ten was the Partridge Family and that kind of stuff.So listen to this quote.

Mark00:01:34

All right.

Arnold00:01:34

Time washes away the trendy, but it only polishes the timeless.

Ron00:01:40

Ooh, yeah.

Arnold00:01:42

Where's the Pistachio Gallery?In their ooze on that one.Okay, thank you.Thank you, Gallery.Thank you.And our guest today, he's no stranger to the St. Louis classic rock, Ron Stevens.He owns the distinction of being creative for over 700 radio station morning shows at one time with his highly successful All Star Radio networks, which he ran for 30 years with his wife Joy.And he was program director for what is now the longest standing rock station in the world, Caishi 95 in St. Louis.And you can see a documentary on that.And matter of fact, Ron was inducted into the St. Louis Classic hall of Fame in 2018 in the DJ category.He's on the board of directors of the St. Louis Classic Rock Preservation Society and he's going to talk to us about the Imperial Awards which will take place November 20th at the Kirkwood Performing Arts Center.Ron, welcome to St. Louis and Tune.

Ron00:02:37

Thank you.And I must say, I was never trendy, just so you know.

Mark00:02:42

You weren't.

Arnold00:02:46

One of these.The timeless, which is being polished.

Ron00:02:50

Yeah, Polished, maybe Forehead.

Mark00:02:53

Yeah.

Ron00:02:53

Not a whole lot left on the.

Arnold00:02:54

You got more than I did.

Ron00:02:56

Yeah.So far.

Arnold00:02:57

Tell us about the.The St. Louis classic rock Preservation Society, for those who may not know about it.How long have they been going and what do they do?

Ron00:03:05

I was trying to figure out this morning when it was actually founded.It was somewhere around 2010, 2011.A man named John Sebben has an online radio station called st.louisclassicrock.com and he approached me and said, I'd like to expand on this, invite other online stations to work with us and create the society.Would you be president of it?And I said, absolutely not.And he said, there will be free beer.And I said, okay.So I drank beer in the society for maybe eight or nine years before we created a board and officers.And we are 501c3.And we've spent most of these years looking for ways to raise money for local charities in St. Louis.I think one of our big, biggest successes was during COVID in 2022.We realized there are a lot of people in St. Louis who work in the live entertainment industry and they will be out of work for an indefinite amount of time.So we put together a 90 minute video using every stage on St. Louis that would allow us because they were being used.We had the Muni Opera, Fox Theater, Riverport.I still have no idea what it's called today.Neither do we.

Mark00:04:26

Yeah, they sold it.I don't know.I like Riverport.

Ron00:04:29

We had the Pageant and Dalmar hall and the Sheldon.All of the great theaters gave us their stages and to present a show.And we had many St. Louis radio personalities in St. Louis join us on these stages with no audience and no performances, basically.Except we had Kevin, what's his name?From Mario Speedwagon.

Mark00:04:49

Cronin.

Ron00:04:50

Thank you very much.Kevin Cronin.

Mark00:04:52

Don't ask too many times.I'm not sure I can answer many of those.

Ron00:04:55

And we also had Sammy Haggard.We had celebrities like that.And some of them doing him on video from their home, things of that nature.And we raised over $100,000 for these families.

Mark00:05:05

Wow, that's crazy.

Ron00:05:07

Very proud of that.You should be doing things like that.

Arnold00:05:10

And I know the charitable organization for the Imperial Awards this year is the Central Visual and Performing Arts High School.

Ron00:05:18

Yeah, the high school on South Kings highway, right?

Mark00:05:20

Yeah.

Ron00:05:20

They have dedicated their agenda to the performing arts and visual arts.And their students are hard working, their teachers are hard working.It's a great place.So we thought this was a natural for us.

Arnold00:05:31

Now people can get tickets on Metrotix and go through there.How does this kind of work when they show up at the Kirkwood Theater.And how long is it going to be?It's going to be interactive.I know it's an 18 plus I saw on the Metrotix thing.

Mark00:05:45

Can I ask, where is the Kirkwood Theater?I'm just curious.

Ron00:05:48

Performing arts center capacity.It's in Kirkwood.Okay, I know where the Kirkwood Performing Arts Center.I think it's on Monroe.

Arnold00:05:54

I think that's correct.

Ron00:05:55

The city, okay, built this, put millions of dollars into this building, which is controversial in itself, and I don't.Tax dollars.They are doing really.I have to word this properly.They're doing extremely well.But not everybody agrees with that because they, as any charitable place like that, a municipality owns it, so they have their debts, but they do, I'd say on a natural national average, municipal building of that nature probably makes back about 24, 25% of what it spends.

Mark00:06:36

Okay.

Ron00:06:37

It's operating, and they are somewhere at 87%.And, of course, Kirkwood has a magnificent parks Department with plenty of money to make up the difference.So they're doing extremely well in that way, but they're also relatively new.

Mark00:06:50

Yeah.Wow.

Ron00:06:51

So this is the first year we're moving the award ceremony, the induction ceremony from banquet style.We started doing this in 2013, the hall of Fame.So this is the first time we're putting it into a theater and doing it theatrically with a whole stage presentation.If either of you remember the aardvarks.

Mark00:07:13

I do.

Ron00:07:14

60S, late 60s, mid 70s, open for just about every major.They open for the Grateful Dead.They open for all of these great bands that came into St. Louis.They have not played together since Reagan was president.And they are now going to be our house band that night on November 20th.

Arnold00:07:34

Yes.

Mark00:07:35

That's great.

Ron00:07:36

And they will play some of their old hits.

Arnold00:07:38

Yeah, you were right.210 East Monroe Avenue.

Ron00:07:40

Thank you.

Arnold00:07:41

210 East Monroe Avenue.

Ron00:07:43

So you're right.You can buy tickets at Metro ticks for November 20th.The show starts at.The show starts at 7, but the aardvarks are going to just start playing to 6, 30 in a second.

Mark00:07:52

Okay.I'm going for the aardvarks.You should.You should go for the aardvarks.

Ron00:07:58

Plus Iardvarks and friends, because Skip Daly is no longer with us and Mike Wiese is no longer with us.But Gene Berman will be there.Mike Newman will be there.Dave Toretta, who was their roadie, is now their bass player, and he's an amazing musician and a producer.He produces music for the St. Louis Symphony Orchestra today.

Mark00:08:18

Wow.

Ron00:08:18

We will have Greg Bishop on drums, native St. Louis.

Mark00:08:22

Yeah.

Ron00:08:22

Who's been through a lot of bands, and, oh, Jack Tweston from Edwardsville, who has own bands.

Mark00:08:31

Yeah, yeah.

Ron00:08:31

He's like a musician's best friend kind of guy.

Mark00:08:34

Showed up all the time.

Arnold00:08:35

So the inductees this year, a Full Moon Consort, Fontella bass, radio executive John Beck, DJ Spider Burks, local artists the Guild, Ray Hartman and the Riverfront Times DJ Al Hofer, Music Land Records usa, and Tony Rolden.How do you see.

Ron00:08:52

I'm sorry, how do people pick.

Arnold00:08:53

How do you guys pick the inductees?

Ron00:08:55

That's an excellent question.I don't have the rules in front of me, but they're very similar to the Baseball hall of Fame rules.

Mark00:09:01

You have to cut Ron's grass, first of all.You want to be part of it.Shovel is snow okay.

Ron00:09:10

Yeah.Those are the rules with marbles in it.But it is.They're nominated by the public and they're voted by the public.

Arnold00:09:19

Interesting.

Ron00:09:20

And there's a process that starts in April or May and goes through, I think, mid July.Something around there for the voting process.So this is as much a surprise to us.Who gets in is Eric Pantella, bass, you mentioned she grew up in St. Louis, went to high school, went to school in St. Louis.Her family's still here, her kids are still here.She did a song called Rescue Me, which was a big national hit, international hit, as a matter of fact, had other hits, but that was probably our most memorable one.The hall of Fame, as you can see from that list of nominees, isn't just musicians.Anything that affected it was related to the classic rock music world in the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, and consequently Spider Burke.Spider Burke was.He's probably most well known for being the pioneer African American disc jockey in St. Louis, which I think is unfair because he's a pioneer disc jockey in St. Louis.He was on KXOW in 1947.DJs were relatively new there.He pioneered that in this market, spinning records.And he will be inducted this year.It surprises me that he was inducted because not many of us were alive in 1947.He was still on in the early 70s.Some of us grew up listening to him and hear him hearing him.But being an African American, he probably.And playing that style of music and jazz.His audience was much more limited than, say, someone on Caishy, but he's endeared by the industry.He is still apparently well loved and known by fans because it was fans who voted him in.

Mark00:10:59

Some of the other people on there was like, Leo Cheers, the man in the red vest.Yes, he was.He did a jazz show.That was unbelievable.Who else is on here?Joe Davis.Let's see.Bernie Hayes.

Ron00:11:12

Bernie Hayes.

Mark00:11:13

Bernie Hayes was on the list.That's right.Terry Siegel, who was at Katy back in the 70s.She was a wild girl.Still around.

Ron00:11:21

Mark's looking to see where his name is.

Mark00:11:22

It is not on there.

Arnold00:11:24

That's why he's doing this.

Mark00:11:25

And Chuck Buell.

Ron00:11:25

Got to get that campaign going.

Mark00:11:28

No more campaigning.Mayor.Wasn't Siegel there?

Ron00:11:31

But I don't see.

Arnold00:11:33

I don't know, actually.

Mark00:11:33

That's all right now.Material good, but no spider Burks.Man, what a. Yeah.What a legend.He's.He deserves it, you know.Should have been there years ago.

Ron00:11:41

I mean, I'm so glad that he was.In fact, we asked bj, the dj, who just recently retired, to induct him.He will be there to accept on his behalf and present.

Arnold00:11:53

Those categories are interesting local artists, DJs, venues or institutions, outside influences, and then executive slash other.

Ron00:12:03

Yeah, that leaves it wide open, doesn't it?

Arnold00:12:05

Yeah.Mel Bay's on that one.Joe Edwards is on that one.

Ron00:12:08

Yeah.By the way, Joe Edwards will be there that night on stage with his daughter Hope, because Linda Edwards, his wife, passed away in February.So I called Joe and asked him if he would be interested in doing a tribute to her.Because Linda, for 40 years, since 1986, was dressing that window, that corner window at Blueberry Hill.

Arnold00:12:30

Really?

Ron00:12:30

They always had cool things in there.And people would come from miles to see this thing every time she'd change it.And they now have a book of a lot of that.So I asked Joe if he and Hope would be interested in doing a tribute, and they said, absolutely.So we put together a montage of many of those great windows that she did and put it to music.

Mark00:12:48

That's fantastic.That is great.That is great.Wow.

Arnold00:12:52

This is Arnold Stricker with Mark Langston of St. Luis and Tune.We're talking to Ron Stephens about the Imperial Awards.How'd the name get changed to the Imperial Awards?

Ron00:13:00

We for years called it the St. Louis classic rock Preservation Society hall of Fame induction ceremonies.

Arnold00:13:06

Wow.That's how it was.

Ron00:13:07

That's why.That's one.

Mark00:13:09

You put that on the program.

Ron00:13:12

The program is just definitely and consciously knew that we must expand this society culturally.And the awards.Every year we see the audience of people who show up for the ceremony, their appreciation for all kinds of music in St. Louis and everything that we grew up with.And of course, each year as we get older, that moves.It shifted from the 60s to the 70s to the 80s, and it'll continue to do that.But so has St. Louis shifted.And there is a very rich cultural society and international society in this town that most St. Louisians are extremely proud of, and that is celebrated a lot through music.And we all agreed that music is the universal language that binds us all and brings us together.So we wanted to reflect that in this society.So we thought about it, talked about it, and realized in our history the one place that we could count on early on in the 70s, 60s and 70s, where you could go to a club, Club Imperial.George Edict built that club.

Mark00:14:27

I was wondering if that was the connection.Okay.

Ron00:14:29

And you can look at any photo today of that audience, and you will almost always see half black, half white audience.And Nowhere else in St. Louis in the 60s and 70s could you say that.So we thought he reflected it, and this is.That reflected it better than anything.So it's a nod to Club Imperial.

Arnold00:14:47

Good, interesting.

Mark00:14:49

Good.

Arnold00:14:49

These outside influences, how does that work?Because these are a lot of groups.Reo, Speedwagon, Ozark Mountain, Daredevil, Sammy Hagar, Allman Brothers.What kind of influence are you talking there?

Ron00:15:02

Each one of those ones you named REO was a regional band.They played early on a lot in St. Louis.

Arnold00:15:09

Okay.

Ron00:15:09

The Allman Brothers played here as the Allman Joys.Before that, they were called Mark, do you remember?

Mark00:15:16

No.

Ron00:15:17

They worked at Rainy Days and Rainy Days, all those old early clubs I.

Mark00:15:23

Used to go to.Rainy Days.That's a wow.You just pulled something out of the.

Ron00:15:27

Past there, Rob a few more of those out there like that.That's from hanging around with the aardvarks.So their influences were strong either that way or.Or if you take someone like JD Blackfoot, who is in there, JD's from Columbus, Ohio, and he's a great example of a band of an artist who Casey discovered.In that case, it's an interesting story.You can even see it on his website.A friend of mine, I was at Caishi maybe three months.This is 70, 71.And a friend of mine said, I just went and you're going to like this, Mark.I just went to the KXOK tent sale every year.KXOK used, the original KXOK used have a tent sale and they would take all the albums and records that they weren't playing that record labels brought to them, put them in this tent sale, sell them off, and give the money to charity.He said, I bought this album for 10 cents.It's called the Ultimate Prophecy by J.D.Blackfoot.You have to hear this.It's interesting.This is the kid I went to grade school with.He gives it to me.I listened to it.I think this is great.I go to Shelley Grafman, my general manager at Casey, and say, shelley, this album, JD Blackfoot, the Ultimate Prophecy, is really good.We should play it.And he goes, if you think it's good, go ahead and play it.Didn't even hear it.Listen to it.Just go play it.So I started playing it, and he started getting into it.We all started getting into it.Shelley called up JD Blackfoot, tracked him down and says, I know this has been out for a while, but we're picking up on it.You might want to be aware of that.He became huge in St. Louis.He could fill auditoriums himself, and he has many times.It did not become that big anywhere else.Same with Gypsy out of Minneapolis.They became very.They headlined a show at Busch Stadium.They became that big.This was the only city in America they were big or known even.So those are outside influences.

Arnold00:17:23

Gotcha.You also have, coming to the show, Mike Krensky.

Ron00:17:28

Mike Krensky fascinates me.I met him last year.He was in a band that was inducted.I think it was the Guys, a band called the Guys, which had Walter Scott also in it, who sang for Bob Cuban.And it turns out Mike Krensky is the man who wrote the Cheater by Bob Cuban, which was an international hit by Bob Cuban.

Mark00:17:52

We could all sing it if you want us to.We could start singing it.Look out for the cheetah.

Ron00:17:58

Yeah.How can you not sing it?

Mark00:18:00

I know.I know.When you say it, I want to sing it.I know.Go ahead.

Ron00:18:03

Oh, really?This could be a challenge.

Mark00:18:05

Okay.A big challenge.

Ron00:18:07

This might kill some time.

Mark00:18:09

Run the listeners off.Okay.

Ron00:18:11

So I asked.Mike was a nod to and just a recognition of that song and how big it was in our lifetime.And Bob Cuban was inducted years ago.I asked Mike if he would come back this year and sing the Cheater, and he said, okay, I'll do that.So the aardvarks learned it, and they're going to sing it.

Arnold00:18:28

Wow.

Ron00:18:29

Now Mike.

Mark00:18:30

Wow.

Ron00:18:30

Mike is in his 80s.

Arnold00:18:32

Oh, my.

Ron00:18:32

And it's not gonna.He's still out singing all the time.His music's keeping him young.

Mark00:18:37

Him and Cher.

Arnold00:18:38

We've had some old rockers on.And they still sound good.Yeah, they still sound good.

Ron00:18:44

Then there's Paul McCartney.And Paul Simon.

Mark00:18:47

Oh, yeah.

Ron00:18:49

However, I don't.I gotta say, I love Paul McCartney's new song, Things We Left Behind.And he sings it like he's 85 years old.It sounds like an old man sing, but it's supposed to be that way.The whole point of the song.

Arnold00:19:01

Another tribute.Special tribute by David Serkamp.

Ron00:19:05

Yes, David.Actually, I called David up a couple months ago because his wife Sarah, who was also in the band, the Pavlov's dog passed away the night after our ceremony last year on November 25th.And so I. I kind of cautiously asked him if he would be at all interested.I said, listen, we're going to do a tribute to Sarah.I would love for you to have.Take part in that, if you're up for it.I knew he had not performed since she died, and I said, it would be great to have you sing a song.I would prefer Julia.It just seems like a natural song and it's very popular.But if you think.He goes, no, Julia's great.I will do it.I will be honored to do it.I will do it.And a couple days later, I got a call from a guy named Jim Hennessy, introduced himself, said, I got your number from David Serkamp.And the reason I'm calling is because David told me that he was going to be part of your ceremony.And I am calling to tell you that I am here to make sure that he shows up that night.And I said, listen, I know David pretty well.I know he can not show up sometimes.

Mark00:20:19

Get sidetracked.Get sidetracked.

Ron00:20:25

And he explained David is still heavily grieving over the loss of his wife, and they're all concerned about him.And it turns out this Jim Hennessy, another musician, and there were several others in St. Louis who just sincerely cared about David and his.His health and his state of mind.And they were all working together to make sure he was going to make it there.And then he passed away maybe a week after that.Now they are all working together to put together a tribute.Abigail, his violinist, will be there that night.Ian Matthews, who's from Matthews, Southern Comfort and from Fairport Convention, is in the Netherlands.But he's going to participate in whatever way he can.They toured together a lot, and they had a band together for a while.And I'm not sure of all the other musicians yet, but that's in the works to do a tribute now to both David and to Sarah.You're asking all the right questions.

Arnold00:21:24

It's like a big reunion thing every year.

Ron00:21:26

It is this is one thing that we always tell the rooms that we rent for, in this case, a huge theater, that it's like a class reunion.Almost everybody in the audience knows each other and they don't leave right after the show.So be prepared for that.And they said, oh, no, you're getting kicked out after this.

Mark00:21:45

Yeah, there's the.

Ron00:21:45

You got 20 minutes to get out of here.

Mark00:21:47

Get out of here.

Arnold00:21:48

We're going to take a brief break.We've been talking to Ron Stevens about the Imperial Awards, the Hall of fame induction ceremony, St. Louis Classic Rock Preservation Society, which is November 20th at the Kirkwood Performing Arts Center.And that is 210 East Monroe Avenue.You can get tickets for that at Metrotix.This is Arnold Stricker with Mark Langston.We'll be right back.As strange as it may sound, at Better Rate Mortgage, we love talking to people about mortgages.Everyone in St. Louis promises a better mortgage rate.But what you really need to turn that perfect house into your dream home is a better mortgage.At Better Rate Mortgage, we open the door to so much more.So where are you in the home buying process?Researching, maybe wondering how much you can afford House hunting?Get a pre approval from Better Rate Mortgage Ready to Buy.Our team is ready to make your mortgage process fast and easy, whether you're purchasing your first home or taking cash out to make your dream home even dreamier.Our door is open.Come on in and get started.Today.We'll show you how.Call Sean directly at 314-375-3293 or online@betterratemortgage.com Remember, at Better Rate Mortgage, a better rate is just the beginning.Betterratemortgage.com MLS Hydro 401335 and equal housing lender this is Arnold Stricker of St. Louis in tune on behalf of the Dred Scott Heritage Foundation.In 1857, the Dred Scott decision was a major legal event and catalyst that contributed to the Civil War.The decision declared that Dred Scott could not be free because he was not a citizen.The 14th Amendment, also called the Dred Scott Amendment, granted citizenship to all born or naturalized here in our country and was intended to overturn the US Supreme Court decision on July 9, 1868.The Dred Scott Heritage foundation is requesting a commemorative stamp to be issued from the US Postal Service to recognize and remember the heritage of this amendment by issuing a stamp with the likeness of the man Dred Scott.But we need your support and the support of thousands of people who would like to See this happen.To achieve this goal, we ask you to download, sign and share the one page petition with others.To find the petition, please go to dredscottlives.org and click on the Dred Scott petition drive on the right side of the page.On behalf of the Dred Scott Heritage foundation, this has been Arnold Stricker of St. Louis in tune.Tune.This is Arnold Stricker with Mark Langston.You're listening to St. Louis in Tune, the radio show that emanates from St. Louis.

Mark00:24:15

Yay.Yes.

Arnold00:24:16

And then we convert it to a podcast.

Mark00:24:18

Right.

Arnold00:24:18

But we're a radio show first, folks.

Mark00:24:20

Yeah.We do it the right way.We were originally a radio show.

Arnold00:24:23

We were originally a two hour radio show.Show number one, once a week.

Mark00:24:27

Then we got smart and we said, no, two hours is way too long.

Arnold00:24:30

Yeah, it's a long time.

Mark00:24:32

I don't talk to my wife for two hours.

Ron00:24:36

She can talk to you for two hours, though.

Arnold00:24:38

That explains things, Mark.

Mark00:24:40

And she does.

Arnold00:24:43

Oh, mercy.We're talking to Ron Stevens.He is.And we're gonna get a wild man.

Mark00:24:47

He's a wild man.

Arnold00:24:48

Yeah, he is.

Mark00:24:48

And congratulations, Ron, on you being inducted.You and your wonderful wife were both inducted into this hall of fame thing.Yes.So that's kind of neat.I know.Now I have not been.

Ron00:25:00

You will be.

Arnold00:25:01

He's really pushing you.

Mark00:25:02

No, I'm really kidding.I really am kidding.But Ron and these two.I. I was at Katy back in the 70s when these guys were on.They were competition.

Arnold00:25:12

Yeah.

Mark00:25:13

And Mark Close, who was, I guess the first one.He was on K2.

Ron00:25:16

Yeah.

Mark00:25:16

They were tough.You guys were tough.You guys, they were tough.They whooped us pretty good.Like a stepchild.They whooped us.

Ron00:25:23

What's amazing is how we were all friends back then.We were still are today.

Mark00:25:27

We are.

Ron00:25:28

I even hung out with Richard Miller, your boss who owned Katie.

Mark00:25:32

He was talking about a wild man.

Ron00:25:34

Well, you could probably do two hours on Richard Miller's story someday.

Mark00:25:37

Yeah, we should do that.

Ron00:25:38

Yeah.

Mark00:25:39

But Casey was.Yeah, he did a thing.I was just thinking because I saw something about the Katie kite flying contest.Something came up about that.About the first Katie or Cashi Casey.

Ron00:25:49

Yeah.I'm sorry, you're confusing me there.Okay.

Mark00:25:51

The Casey kite flying contest.And Richard did a promotion that Katie will get you higher.

Ron00:25:57

That's how he did a lot of stuff like that.Very clever.Yeah.We did one, though.He used to call it Kadi, The Rock of St. Louis.

Mark00:26:05

Yes.

Ron00:26:05

So we said Cayce sitting on top of the rock.

Mark00:26:08

Yeah.

Arnold00:26:09

Yeah.

Mark00:26:09

It was like that a lot.

Arnold00:26:11

So where'd the Casey pig come from?

Ron00:26:13

That came from an album called Bloodwind Pig, a band called Blodwen Pig, and it was their album cover, and it was.I'll get a visual for you if you want to put it up.But it was an actual pig with a joint in its mouth and shades on and headphones.An actual pig's head.

Mark00:26:29

Seriously.

Ron00:26:30

And Shelly Grafman just really liked that.We were looking for something for a T shirt and hat, and he thought, this is it.So he called the band up and said who he was and said, we play your album.And they were impressed right there and said, we'd like to do a little promotion with your album cover with the pig.Can you give us permission to do that?That little promotion's still around today.Yeah.I'm not sure what kind of signatures went down for that thing, but, man, that's amazing.

Arnold00:26:58

You can still see some bumper stickers like that.

Ron00:27:00

Yeah, and they're the vintage bumper stickers.

Mark00:27:03

Did they get rid of the joint?I thought they got.Did they get.

Ron00:27:06

It went.And then it came back.That's what I thought and came back.Yeah, it's.

Mark00:27:10

It's legal now, so leave it.

Ron00:27:11

Definitely trendy.

Mark00:27:12

Yes, it is.Okay.

Arnold00:27:16

How did you get your start in.

Ron00:27:18

The radio business, Casey?Back in 70, I think it was, had a contest, which was a clever idea, called be a DJ for an hour on cashi95.Send us a letter, let us know why you want to be a DJ for an hour on Caishe, and we'll pick a winner.So I think I want to do this.I want to enter this contest, and I want to win.So I had a strategy.My strategy was this.First I sent in a.A funny letter, thinking if it's funny, they're more likely to read it over the air.And they did, and all the jocks read it because it was funny enough that they went with it.Then I sent in a serious letter, knowing the funny ones never win, a serious one will.So I did that.Then I had my sister and her girlfriend get a petition signed with everyone they went to high school with sign this petition that they wanted me on the air.That petition got sent in, and it got wrapped around the studios, all the way around the studio.So I know now I'm gonna win.And I won.

Mark00:28:27

Did you?

Ron00:28:28

So I went in and John Roberts was running the board, and I'm sitting on the other side of it, just doing the breaks.And I always loved doing Funny stuff.And they had.They were announcing a concert, and I forget who it was, but something like Joe Cocker and the who, big names.But they had a concert six months earlier with the who, or it was other big names.Eric Clapton and Led Zeppelin.But it got canceled.And then there was one before that got canceled.So I'm doing this one.And they were all three Casey presents.So I'm making the thing for this.And I said, one out of three can't be bad.This is a joke, right?And if you can't make fun of yourself.So the hotline rings.I didn't know what a hotline was, but John Roberts did.And he picks it up and goes, now?Right now?You sure?Okay.It hangs up.He said, that was Shelly Grafman, the general manager of the station.He wants me to kick you out of here right now, take you off the air.I said, I want an hour, and it's only been a half hour.I'm sorry.He wants you out of here.Oh, gosh.I got kicked off the air the very first time I was on.So the next day I came in to meet Shelly Grafman, and he took the meeting, and I sat in his office across the desk, and he says, what can I do for you?And I said, I'd like to work here.I'd like to have a show and be on the air.And he looks at me like, are you serious?Aren't you?The guy just kicked off the air, and he laughs.He just kind of chuckles.He goes, you have to have two years experience to work here.And rather than argue that, knowing that there were plenty of work in there without two years experience, I said, okay, I'll go get two years experience.And maybe six months later, Gary Colander and I. Gary ended up working there years later.But Gary Colander and I had a head shop and we had a budget, and Shelly wanted that budget, but we were spending it on Curl because we knew that the Spectrum, Jean Grace's head shop was all over Cayce and kdi, and all of them were doing Casey and KDI because that's where the pot smokers were.We were selling waterbeds and all that stuff.But we thought, curl's got that audience, too.No one's over there, so let's spend our money on Curl.So we didn't.Shelly hated that idea.He hated it.So he came in and tried to get our budget, our advertising.And I said, hey, remember me, Shelly?You're the guy.I'm the guy.He goes, yeah.Would you like to work weekends.So I said yes, Hell yes.And I was on weekends for maybe two or three months and Prince Knight left.Prince Knight, Ron Light.

Mark00:31:09

Oh, what a deep fancy.

Ron00:31:10

Shelley gave me his show.So I sat in the.I sat down and the first time I turned on the microphone and said, this is Ron Stevens.Wow.Just think, Prince Knight once slept here.

Mark00:31:24

I love it.

Ron00:31:26

Shelley never looked back.He said, go ahead, just do whatever you want.

Arnold00:31:30

Do your thing.

Ron00:31:30

Do your thing.

Arnold00:31:31

Yeah.

Mark00:31:32

There's so much to talk about.So much.Like speaking of Gary Colander, he is inducted in and we play his show here year.He does the Brit Rock show.He did it on the Point or something and we have, we've remastered it and we play it every Saturday night and Sunday night at 9 o'.Clock.

Ron00:31:51

That's fantastic.

Mark00:31:52

The Brit rock show.Yep.

Ron00:31:53

Does he know this?

Mark00:31:54

Oh yeah, he gave us the shows.

Ron00:31:57

We have a stack of them.

Mark00:31:58

We're working on them still.Yeah, just trying to get, you know,.

Ron00:32:01

Seeds, clean them up and.

Mark00:32:03

Yeah, and a great shows too.Yeah.Gary Cole had Campbell and where did you meet Joy?How did that all.I mean, there you go.

Ron00:32:12

This was back when I was still.

Mark00:32:13

Because we got the Ron Stevens on the air, but now we need the Joy and the morning show too.I mean, that's a heck of a story.

Ron00:32:20

It was.I was still doing weekends at the time and I was doing a Sunday night show.We went off the air at 2 in the morning on Sunday nights for maintenance.Jimmy Mitchell was our chief engineer and he would do all his maintenance then.And I was on air that night and I got a phone call around midnight from this party in Ladue and it was Joy's brother.Joy was having the party and Joy's brother called and wanted me to play something and invited me to the party and I said, I don't get off the air till 2 in the morning.You guys can.Oh, we'll still be going, no problem.I said, is there food?That was the most important thing to me.Is there food?There's going to be food there.I'll show up.He goes, yeah, there'll be food there, I promise.And he says, I'll have my sister meet you on the parking lot of Schneidhorst at 2am So I show up at that parking lot at 2:15.Actually, it wasn't that far from Caishy and there's this ditzy little blonde with a cocktail in her hand.I didn't know at the time she was 16, but she was standing there pretty Drunk.And she takes me to this party at the house where she was a babysitter.She was a live in babysitter because she wanted to go to Ladue.And she grew up on a farm in Illinois.In Millstadt, Illinois.Yeah.So she convinced his family to take her in at 16 and let her go to Ledoux because she liked their art program.And Joy is an artist to this day.So I get to the party and everybody wants to meet the dj.They meet me and they all leave.And I'm stuck there now eating my cold ravioli with Joy.And we became friends from that.

Mark00:33:58

That's.

Arnold00:33:58

And the rest of history.

Mark00:34:00

Yeah, the rest is history.Wow.She is quite the artist, too.

Ron00:34:04

She is amazing.She continually wins awards for her work.We bought an old house in Soulard, was built in 1876, and it wasn't even for sale.And she just took one look at it.I want this house.This house is talking to me.I have to have it.

Mark00:34:20

Right?

Ron00:34:21

And it took two years to convince the guy who owned it to sell it, and another year after that for him to actually sell it to us.And then she spent nine years restoring it and did a complete restoration of this old, run down, dilapidated place just now.It's gorgeous.It kind of looks like the Adams family house.

Mark00:34:39

It's beautiful.

Ron00:34:40

And she won.She got special recognition from the Missouri Senate and Missouri House for the work she did.She won the visionary award from St. Louis magazine, or might have been from the.I can't think of the name of the place.Landmarks Association.

Mark00:34:56

Gotcha.

Ron00:34:57

One of them gives the visionary.I think Landmarks association gives a visionary award every year.And she won that.And St. Louis magazine has an architectural and design issue every April and they award architects for their work.And she won their top award.

Mark00:35:15

Wow.

Ron00:35:16

And she's not really an architect.

Mark00:35:17

She's an artist, but she's very creative.She started the fountain on Fountain on Locust.

Arnold00:35:23

Right.

Ron00:35:24

Designed and painted every inch of that place.All of those murals and all of.She made all of the lampshades that are those huge chandelier lampshades hanging down.

Mark00:35:35

And I think reluctantly she sold the place.

Ron00:35:37

I think it wasn't reluctantly.She.She ran it for 15 years, and it was part of her plan.She said, I can do this about 15 years.And we.She decided to sell it right before COVID And the buyer was not the people who bought it.It was the Kransberg Foundation.They loved it and wanted it.And we were negotiating with them.And then Covid hit and we all said, we should actually they agreed on a price and they were ready to go.But we put a stop to it.And they agreed because of COVID We didn't know what was going where.And I also said, you guys, you agreed at every price we threw at you.And we've never really marketed this or researched it.Maybe we should.I said that more to Joy than them.So during COVID we met the Eichenhorst and I saw what Danny was doing in social networking.Danny Eichenhorst and her husband Marcus, also Eichenhorst.And she's just tremendous.She had taken Steve's hot dogs and saved it and turned it around.He was ready to fold and go.Joy just wanted to retire.And Covid, though, did complicate stuff.But they.We said, here's what the Kransberg foundation was paying.And they said, we'll pay that because Ike is an accountant.And he looked at the papers and said, man, I'll quit my job to run this place.Great.And they never looked back.And they just did fantastic.But they had to battle through the COVID thing.Ruined staff for all restaurants.Just made it really rough.And they battled through that.God bless.

Mark00:37:05

But what a vision.Because that where that area was not.That was the first, I would tell you.That was the first.

Ron00:37:10

The spark and the barbecue place.

Arnold00:37:13

Pappy's.

Mark00:37:15

Pappy's.

Ron00:37:16

They both opened about the same time.

Mark00:37:18

Yeah.

Ron00:37:18

And they really did turn the neighborhood around.

Mark00:37:20

Who would have thought?

Ron00:37:21

Yeah, I'll tell you who didn't think we were.Joy did a very wise thing.She had no experience in the restaurant industry at all.She just wanted to do it because she thought this is something that should be done, that type of restaurant.And she called up guys like Mike Johnson and trying to remember all their names, great restaurant owners and Kim Tucci and said, can I come work for you for a couple weeks?I'll work for free.I wanted to learn as much as I can.That's what they all did.Chuckled and said, sure, come on.And they all loved her.She was great.And she did ask a lot of questions and learned.But Kim Tucci came out to actually see what she was doing there.

Mark00:38:01

Kim, for those that don't know, he owned the Pasta House.

Ron00:38:04

Pasta House.And his wife Sharon, of course, is the talent agent in St. Louis.So we knew Kim through Sharon because she was a talent agent.And he comes out to look at it and looks at the neighborhood and it was still a one way street at the time.Everything was boarded up except her place.And he said, joy, don't do it.Do not do this.I'm telling you, you need to cut your losses now.Just forget it.And she said, no, I'm doing it.He goes, you're making a big mistake.You need to be in a mall.You need to be somewhere where people.There are no people here.Blah, blah, blah, blah.Within six months, Sharon came out and fell in love with the place.And she would make Kim come there.And one Saturday, there's a line out the door and around the block practically.And he's in that line, and he sees Joy.He goes, come over here, Joy.Come here.I want to talk to you.And she goes, ha.He's finally going to apologize.And he doesn't.This is his way of apologizing.He goes, I'm buying the building across the street.

Mark00:39:08

Of course he is.

Ron00:39:10

But I'm buying it for Sharon and her agency, though.

Mark00:39:13

Okay.

Ron00:39:13

But we were out, dinner and drinks with him one night, and three or four drinks in, he starts going down this list of restaurant names, and I recognize some of them.I said, why are you listing these restaurants?And he goes, These are the 10 restaurants I opened that miserably failed.He goes, that's what happens.That's the restaurant business.Everything isn't a success.And I got to say, Joy, you really, really did it.He was just.Again, it was his way of apologizing.

Arnold00:39:44

That's nice.

Mark00:39:45

That is nice.Her passion.She has what a.She's just got tremendous passion and she's drive, and she's an amazing woman.If you ever get a chance to meet her, she is really.

Arnold00:39:56

I would love to.

Ron00:39:56

If she were in here now, I wouldn't have gotten a word in Edge.No, no, not at all.

Mark00:40:01

This is kind of nice to talk to you, Ron.

Ron00:40:03

It's a rare moment I get a.

Mark00:40:05

Chance to really have a conversation.

Ron00:40:07

That's not how it went.

Mark00:40:08

She'd be.She is that way, too.She is wound up.Yeah, boy, she's fun.She's a fun gal.I don't know how we got here, but that's okay.It is great.No, I'd like to.Yeah.These are wonderful stories.

Arnold00:40:20

These are the off ramps and the side roads that we take.

Ron00:40:22

Yeah.

Arnold00:40:23

We go to the state highway rather than the interstate.

Mark00:40:25

Yeah, that's true.

Arnold00:40:27

We've been talking to Ron Stevens about the Imperial Awards, the Hall of fame induction ceremony.St. Louis Classic Rock Preservation Society, November 20th at Kirkwood performing Arts Center.Folks, you can get tickets at Metro Ticks.And, Ron, can you stay around a little bit?

Ron00:40:41

Sure.Yeah.

Arnold00:40:42

Because Mark and I, we do some days of the day.

Mark00:40:44

Oh, okay.

Arnold00:40:45

And then I inject some humor because you can either cry or laugh to relieve stress.And I think probably more now we need to continue to laugh.

Ron00:40:55

I think so too.

Arnold00:40:56

We'll do that right after this break, folks.This is Arnold Stricker with Mark Langston.Don't go away.As strange as it may sound, at Better Rate Mortgage we love talking to people about mortgages.Everyone in St. Louis promises a better mortgage rate.But what you really need to turn that perfect house into your dream home is a better mortgage.At Better Rate Mortgage, we open the door to so much more.So where are you in the home buying process?Researching, maybe wondering how much you can afford House hunting.Get a pre approval from Better Rate Mortgage Ready to buy.Our team is ready to make your mortgage process fast and easy, whether you're purchasing your first home or taking cash out to make your dream home even dreamier.Our door is open.Come on in and get started.Today we'll show you how.Call Sean directly at 314-375-3293 or online@betterratemortgage.com Remember, at Better Rate Mortgage, a better rate is just the beginning.Betterratemortgage.com MMLS ID 2401335 and equal housing lender this is Arnold Stricker of St. Louis in tune on behalf of the Dred Scott Heritage Foundation.In 1857, the Dred Scott decision was a major legal event and catalyst that contributed to the Civil War.The decision declared that Dred Scott could not be free because he was not a citizen.The 14th Amendment, also called the Dred Scott Amendment, granted citizenship to all born or naturalized here in our country and was intended to overturn the U.S. supreme Court decision on July 9, 1860.The Dred Scott Heritage foundation is requesting a commemorative stamp to be issued from the US Postal Service to recognize and remember the heritage of this amendment by issuing a stamp with the likeness of the man Dred Scott.But we need your support and the support of thousands of people who would like to see this happen.To achieve this goal, we ask you to download, sign and share the one page petition with others.To find the petition, please go to dred ScottLives.org and click on the Dred Scott Petition drive on the right side of the page.On behalf of the Dred Scott Heritage foundation, this has been Arnold Stricker of St. Louis in June.Welcome back to St. Louis in Tune.This is Arnold Stricker with Mark Langston and.

Mark00:43:08

Ron.

Arnold00:43:09

And Ron Stevens.Yeah, Ron's sticking around.I was thinking what I was going to say to you, Mark.I was thinking what I was going to say.Yeah, I was buffering.I was buffering.

Mark00:43:19

Yeah, you are.

Arnold00:43:21

I was thinking what I was going to say to you.

Mark00:43:22

And I pee more to introduce you.

Arnold00:43:24

To the days of the day that many of our legislators and congressional representatives spend their time doing.

Mark00:43:31

Oh, where's my list?Here, hold.Let me get.What happened to my list?I just had a list here seconds ago.Oh, it's over here.I'm still learning how to run the computer.I don't know.Okay.It's National American Beer Day.Yay.Finally.

Ron00:43:46

Like we need that.

Arnold00:43:48

Everybody down at the brewery.That's every day.

Mark00:43:50

Do you have a favorite beer?Do you like Schlafly beer or anything like that?I don't know.National Black Cat Day is today.Cranky Co Worker Day.

Ron00:44:00

To rename name, we could probably.

Mark00:44:03

Navy Day, National Mentoring Day.Did you ever have a mentor?

Arnold00:44:08

Yes.

Mark00:44:08

Did you?

Arnold00:44:09

Yes.

Ron00:44:10

Have you had one, Rob?Yeah, sure.Actually, Shelly Grafman was Shelly Graphman.

Mark00:44:13

He owned that radio station, didn't he?

Ron00:44:15

His brother owned it.

Mark00:44:16

Okay.

Ron00:44:16

They had a company called Century Broadcasting.Shelly was selling life insurance before he worked at that station.

Mark00:44:24

I'll be darned.

Arnold00:44:25

Yeah.

Mark00:44:26

Wow.And that's something.The days of when radio was.Yeah, something.

Ron00:44:31

Yeah.

Mark00:44:32

Let's see.National Chocolate Day is coming up.National Cat Day is on the way.And of course, Halloween and that.I have to say, Ron and Joy used to have a Halloween party.We talked about this earlier.It was like it was the Halloween party of St. Louis.It was always when they had their.They had a mansion in.I say it's a mansion.It was a big house in the central west end.

Ron00:44:54

It was 15,000 square feet.

Arnold00:44:57

Holy smokes.

Ron00:44:58

10 Bathrooms.It was ridiculous.Yeah, but we loved it.

Mark00:45:00

Yeah.Did you guys redo that one too?

Ron00:45:03

Didn't have to do much of that.We did put in a four car garage that was not there, but.And we put a back porch on.I can't imagine a house that big never having a back porch.

Arnold00:45:12

Yeah.

Mark00:45:12

Yeah.Really?15 Bathrooms?

Ron00:45:14

No, 10 baths.

Mark00:45:15

Oh, 10.

Ron00:45:16

10 Bathrooms.14 Fireplaces.

Mark00:45:18

Golly.

Ron00:45:18

It was ridiculous.

Mark00:45:19

It was a beautiful.

Ron00:45:20

It was fun.And we realized early on that we could loan this house to the right organizations like the Saint Louis.Saint Louis International.What's it called?Saint Louis Film Festival.Saint Louis International Film Festival.Yeah.Every year we hosted their final night party and it was just great meeting these producers and directors.And actors, and they were coming from all over the world to the festival.It was fun.

Mark00:45:48

Yeah.And it all started with the Halloween party.Ron enjoys Halloween party.

Ron00:45:52

It's funny.

Mark00:45:53

Zipper Zeppa.You remember Zipper Zeppa?He used to have a Super bowl party.Yeah, I used to go to that every year.I don't think zip does that anymore.

Arnold00:46:01

The conversation we had right before you was on a film for the St. Louis International Film Festival.

Ron00:46:06

Yeah.Did you have one?

Arnold00:46:09

We had the director on.Yeah.

Ron00:46:10

Okay.

Arnold00:46:11

Yeah, it was Brothers in Black in Vietnam.Bloods in Blood, Black in Vietnam.It's going to be at the high point.November 14th.Nice.

Mark00:46:16

Yeah.Yeah.That was pretty.

Arnold00:46:18

Small world.

Mark00:46:18

Okay, that's all I got for.

Arnold00:46:19

That's all you got.

Mark00:46:20

Sorry,.

Arnold00:46:22

Mark, I.Recently, we did some financial planning, and it looks like I can retire at 97 and live comfortably for 11 minutes.

Ron00:46:31

So go for it.

Arnold00:46:33

There's been a lot of talk about the UFOs.They changed to the unidentified aerial phenomenon.UAPs.Aliens probably ride past Earth and lock their doors.

Mark00:46:46

UAP.

Arnold00:46:48

Unidentified aerial phenomenon.

Ron00:46:50

I guess now we'll be dated by saying UFOs.Hey, old man, it ain't UFOs anymore.

Arnold00:46:56

What if soy milk is just regular milk introducing itself in Spanish?I never repeat gossip, so listen carefully.And women love mythical creatures.Vampires, werewolves, unicorns.Men who listen.This Christmas, I'm giving my family members a card that says a donation has been made in your name to my therapist.

Mark00:47:31

It gets worse, Ron.It gets worse.

Arnold00:47:34

And I got kicked out of the hospital recently.Apparently, the sign stroke patients here meant something completely different than I assumed.

Mark00:47:42

Oh, wow.Come on now.This is a family show.

Arnold00:47:47

A man and a woman were traveling in a train.The woman says, every time you smile, I feel like inviting you to my place.The man says, aw.Are you single?No, I'm a dentist.And when I die, I want the people I did group projects with to lower me into my grave so they can let me down one last time.

Mark00:48:12

I know.It's like, why is he doing this?

Arnold00:48:14

If you've done group projects with lame people, that's a really good one.That's a really good one.

Ron00:48:21

Okay.

Arnold00:48:22

Yeah.Let's see here.Oh.The inventor of the umbrella was going to call it Brella, but he hesitated.

Mark00:48:33

How do you stop?

Arnold00:48:34

Ron appreciates that.Ron, just reach over and grab it.

Mark00:48:36

Out of his hand, will you, please?

Ron00:48:40

I'm just.I'm just imagining Arnold preparing this.He's got all week to put this together.

Mark00:48:46

A lot of show prep goes into this.

Ron00:48:47

I know.

Arnold00:48:48

And.Okay, so here's the last one.My husband.This is a woman saying my husband's been missing.The police said to prepare for the worst, so I had to go down to the thrift store to get all of his clothes back.

Mark00:49:13

I'm just glad it's over.

Arnold00:49:14

Okay, Ron, thanks for coming in today.

Ron00:49:17

Thank you.

Arnold00:49:18

Greatly appreciate it.

Ron00:49:19

Thank you for.

Mark00:49:20

I hope you come back and bring.

Ron00:49:21

And I should bring Joy.

Mark00:49:23

You should bring Joy.Yes.We ought to go to Greg Haglin's house, too.He was going to be here with you, too.

Arnold00:49:29

Oh, yeah.

Mark00:49:29

He's one of the board members.

Ron00:49:31

Yes, he is.

Mark00:49:31

Yeah, he was a.We have just a few minutes here.But Greg was.He was a record rep in St. Louis Rock radio when I was growing up in rock and roll.Was it Chrysalis?I can't remember what label.

Ron00:49:45

Chrysalis was one of his labels because that was the first label.Joy and I ended up on one of their.It was called Tacoma Records, which Chrysalis distributed.

Mark00:49:54

I can't remember anybody that.Any of the bands or anything that was.

Ron00:49:57

Babies.The Babies.

Mark00:49:58

Oh, the babies.

Ron00:49:59

I don't remember because Joy and I opened for them.

Mark00:50:01

Oh, my goodness.And would you say you opened for the Babies?

Ron00:50:05

Joy and I had two comedy albums and we were doing stand up comedy and Chrysalis wanted us to open for the Babies at one point, which was fun.That was the early stages of comics opening up for bands.Glenn Supa toured with the Beach Boys for years.Steve Martin opened for.

Mark00:50:26

Look at him now.

Ron00:50:27

I forget the band now.Yeah, somebody.But he's.That's how he started to doing college tours with a rock band.

Mark00:50:32

And then there's you, Ron and Joy.

Ron00:50:35

Yeah.

Mark00:50:35

Now, look, I know we could go on and on.This has been a lot of fun.This has been fun, Ron.It really has.There's so much that we haven't even talked about.

Ron00:50:44

Yeah.

Arnold00:50:45

You.

Ron00:50:45

You could probably, with your connections and your background in world, put a round table together every now and then.

Mark00:50:51

Yeah.

Ron00:50:52

If you haven't Already, out of 444 shows, you should have by now.

Mark00:50:56

It would be fun.Yeah, we should do that.

Arnold00:50:58

Yeah.And what that does is that preserves stories.

Ron00:51:01

Yeah, exactly.

Mark00:51:03

I know.

Ron00:51:04

And it starts some good arguments too.

Mark00:51:05

Yeah.And I like the way it happened.And I saw Charlie Daniels was on the list.One last thing I want to say I interviewed him because I was in country music for years, but I never interviewed him when I was in country music.I only went to see him, but I interviewed him at W. At Katy and put his hat on and his hat came all the way down to my upper lip.

Ron00:51:28

I interviewed his hat once.

Mark00:51:29

Did you?What a wonderful.

Ron00:51:30

On camera.

Mark00:51:31

Did you really?

Ron00:51:32

And he was off camera doing the voice of the hat.See, you can find that online.

Mark00:51:37

Great stuff there.You can't make.

Arnold00:51:38

Who would know?

Mark00:51:39

Who would have known?

Ron00:51:40

Who would have thought?

Mark00:51:41

Okay, thanks for.

Arnold00:51:42

You can think a lot about a lot of things, but that's all for this hour.If you've enjoyed this episode, you can listen to additional shows@stlintune.com where you can follow us and leave a review.Want to thank Bob Berthisel for our theme Music, our sponsor, Better 8 Mortgage, our guest Ron Stephens and co host Mark Langston.We thank you for being part of our community of Curious Minds.St. Louis in Tune is a production of Motif Media Group and the US Radio Network.Remember to keep seeking, keep learning, walk worthy, and let your light shine.For St. Louis in tune, I'm Arnold Stricker.